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Illogical Assumptions About Names (421 words) by ilzolende
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Star Trek, Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Additional Tags: Epistolary, Computer Programming, Names, mentions of vulcan culture
Summary: The process of writing software highlights many illogical assumptions. This list of illogical assumptions about names may enable you to notice and avoid making these assumptions yourself.
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  • A vampire who can drink animal blood and has, after confirming vampires can't get or transmit prion diseases, gone after a lot of deer with chronic wasting disease.
  • Vampires who for a while thought they could only have human blood, but eventually determined they could ingest anything safe to give to a healthy human intravenously. These days they have a lot of saline solution. (Inspired by this paper.)
  • A vampire who gives their victims iron infusions and erythropoiesis-stimulating medications after feeding, thus replacing the usual side effects with a different, weirder set of side effects.
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Hometown's church may be a former Christian church. We know Christianity exists in Deltarune – the Holidays bring up Christmas, people say things like 'jeez', Monster Kid wears a cross necklace, Alvin discusses how sin and confession are absent specifically in his religion, et cetera. It's not rare for Christians to sell church buildings when the congregation size declines. Hometown sure seems to have a declining population, given elements like the abandoned classroom. The church's architecture is also Christian in style. The Angel appears on top, sure, but that's just one item. All of the stained glass windows are abstract, and there's no Delta Rune carvings anywhere.

I really like how the Delta Rune gets drawn differently in different places in-game. It suggests that people render it from a simple description, not a detailed branding guide. Real religious symbols get drawn in varying styles all the time, so it makes the game feel more realistic.

Chapter 1 comments

According to Wikipedia, “The Joker’s use varies greatly. Many card games omit the cards entirely; as a result, Jokers are sometimes used as informal replacements for lost or damaged cards in a deck by simply noting the lost card’s rank and suit on the Joker.”

This raises questions of whether the Jevil could have replaced the King and made the deck usable again.

Also I wonder if, in a version of Deltarune where Toby Fox could get whatever code he wanted written, Kris would notice and complain when the game controls got passed between players. Different people use controllers differently, I doubt this is completely impossible.

Chapter 2 comments

I think Kris's cell phone should have become something neat in Cyber City. Maybe a surfboard.

I wonder if King Kong would count as a giant human movie. I don't remember seeing ape monsters.

Chapter 4 comments

It's very nice of Toriel to be calm about Kris just giving away her TV.

I love Catty's speech at church. Lots of video games have a prophecy involving the protagonists as the core of a religion. But how many of them have people do unhelpful-for-the-player moralistic theraputic deism about it? It's like if you were playing an amnesiac Link and asked around about prophecy stuff and someone said "IDK, I just know it's important to temper power with courage and wisdom".

The church being a former Christian church would plausibly explain the presence of nuns, holy water, and so on in the Dark Sanctuaries, even if these elements aren't present in the Prophecy-centered religion.

While it's reasonable for Kris to dislike Toriel playing music late, and for Susie to have some kind of trigger about drunk adults, I enjoyed seeing Toriel having fun.

I've made a full-scene version of the "The Myth of Myth" Deltarune meme, and you can view it on my Tumblr. I changed the title because the original didn’t sound like a prophecy. The DELTAPROPHECY generator helped. So did [personal profile] soundlogic, who encouraged me to put the SOUL in a choice box.

Chapter 5 comments

It was nice to get Toriel toast in the morning. She's been very nice to characters I control, so it’s nice to be able to do something for her for once. Also she’s kind of cute when she’s all bleary in the armchair.

The moral of Deltarune is that you need to actively do your part to get your friends’ disabled parents to take it easy, at least if you like them at all. (I was displeased as soon as I saw Rudy on that ladder. He needs energy to enjoy the festival himself!)

Kris should get a first aid kit with antiseptics, other wound care tools, miscellaneous stuff, and also some switches and buttons that do absolutely nothing and aren’t even wired to anything. They should also leave some space empty. This way, whenever Kris wants to take the SOUL out, they can clean off their hand and chest with antiseptics first. They can then store it in the empty part of the first aid kit, instead of putting em in a rusty birdcage, sink cabinet, or garbage bin. The fake puzzle might help Kris feel comfortable, because they can assume ey will be too distracted trying to solve the puzzle to escape. Then, when Kris wants to put em back in, they can wipe em down with more antiseptic wipes, if ey's physical enough for that. Art of my proposed first aid kit is viewable on my Tumblr.

I keep hearing the theory that Kris needs the SOUL to live, but frankly, I think Kris might just have untreated infected wounds from repeatedly reaching into their chest with no sanitation, and putting in objects that they left in filthy places. There's no way they're getting adequate medical attention, either.

Deltarune has artists who can draw plenty of flower shapes. However, the 7 flowers are palette swaps of each other. I think this means we should assume they're all six-petaled flat flowers with green stems in-world, meaning Aqua is not a hydrangea even if she smells like one. Were they all white flowers from the same species which got dyed? Are they from a species that grows in a variety of colors? Does Green have phyllody (and is Green thus physically lacking in sex organs, in addition to being uninterested in making heart hands with Ralsei)? Also, why did Asgore grow two shades of yellow flower and no red flowers for a rainbow bouquet??

During the Flowery fight, I was wondering if we would be spared. I figured if that did happen, Ralsei would tell us how to purify the Flower King fountain, and then we'd move all the Castle Town Darkners over. It would still raise some issues, like darkness being visible through the Flower King shop windows, but it would let us keep our old friends and let the flowers have more time awake.

I've rendered Asgore with the famous 11'8" 'can opener' bridge on my Tumblr.

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It's very funny how in Portal, both Chell and the co-op bots are player inserts somewhat, but when playing Chell, you restart from save when you die, whereas the bots just get reassembled, so that leads to the characters having very different competence levels.

GlaDOS should have tried offering ATLAS and P-Body a cake and/or $60 if she didn’t like their performance. She doesn't have to actually give them either. That said, they would have gone nuts if they’d gotten $60 of vouchers for the Aperture gift shop. Imagine P-body with a baseball cap that keeps falling off and ATLAS with an Aperture t-shirt with a hole cut in the middle to see through.

Chell is probably cisgender. We can conclude this because, if she were trans, Aperture would definitely know. There’s no way they didn't do a bunch of invasive medical tests for no good reason. If Aperture knew, GlaDOS would probably also know. GlaDOS tries to poke at whatever she thinks Chell might have as an insecurity, so there’s no way she wouldn’t say transphobic things to a trans Chell, regardless of her personal beliefs.

Chell is also probably not related to Caroline, Cave Johnson, or Doug Rattmann. If she was related to Caroline, GlaDOS would have probably had some thoughts about it at some point. If she was related to Doug, he would have felt bad about it during the tie-in comic. Also, if Cave Johnson probably sterilized himself with something at least as stupid as the Radiendocrinator. If he managed to produce a healthy child despite all that, he would probably never shut up about it.

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There's a lot to be gained from integrating human and monster society. For one thing, if monster food's perfect conversion to energy works as well for everyone as it does for Frisk, humans would want lots of it for emergency medicine and contact sports.

That said, in an integrated society, anyone would be able to gain magic benefits just by murdering someone of the other species. This suggests a lot of the gains from integration will need to be spent on preventing and investigating murders. I suspect this will especially affect hospitals and hospice facilities. Governments might even want to legalize suicide at specific monitored locations, just to make faking a suicide or getting a SOUL from a suicidal person less convenient.

So if you want to picture the future after the True Pacifist ending, maybe picture humans and monsters arguing on the internet about whether it's racist to want to die in a segregated hospice facility to avoid too much surveillance. There's ads for betting on gladiator games (safer than pre-integration football, allegedly) in a sidebar.

Also, unrelatedly, Chara would probably love playing Universal Paperclips.

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Playing as a scrub

It's very funny to play Undertale while sucking at games.

Lemme tell you, if I were in control in the post-game, Frisk would ask people about how to "attack" monsters with zero risk of killing them and then go hit Woshua and Aaron and some other people with a big cartoon mallet or something.

I in fact did a pacifist run, but whatever amount of me is in Frisk is not a patient all-loving hero! More of a guy who heard that they could avoid literally killing people and was like "well, I don't like being attacked, but I should give nonlethal responses a good solid try even if I'm frustrated". Because I got frustrated a lot.

I failed to figure out that you can poke the lanterns in the Waterfall maze to make them light up again and stumbled around grouchily in the dark and ran away when I saw Undyne even though Monster Kid was still dangling over the edge of a cliff because I was scared of losing my progress through the horrible darkness maze full of random encounters (and I failed to realize that 'joke' is useful in a joint Aaron-Woshua encounter). I used the Temmie Armor a few times. I completely failed to beat Papyrus so much that he agreed to just let me go. (My girlfriend offered to fight Papyrus for me so I could see the Papyrus fight, and I took her up on it.) I kept dodging into the Chaos Sabers and Chaos Slicers so much that I got better combat results by just standing on the left side the whole time instead of trying to dodge, which grates.

I quoted the Silksong crashout copypasta to my girlfriend somewhat ironically. I cleaned up the text in the #1 break taker meme.

When Flowey was taunting me I told him I'd actually taken a break to have dinner and he was still there, although I hadn't gotten dinner yet. (I am of the opinion that if a video game does not enable a dialogue option, it is perfectly legitimate to talk to the screen.)

Also I'm annoyed at TVTropes a little.

On a No Mercy run, during the fights with Undyne the Undying and Sans, to heal you're constantly stuffing food down your gullet as you take damage, usually really unhealthy foods like cinnamon bun(nys) and fast food. Pretty fitting for a gluttonous entity who wants nothing more than to consume the entire world in the darkness of nothing. Whereas the kinder-hearted Frisk rarely has to do so, and by the end can heal just with their determination alone in the fight against Asriel.

Guys, come on. You have no idea how many popsicles Frisk ate. Frisk is leaning pretty hard on the human body seemingly having no limits in its ability to process the energy in magic food.

Other thoughts

I brought up "what if we try putting Frisk into cardiac arrest while under observation of a medical team, yoink the SOUL out really quickly, try to take down the barrier, and then put the SOUL back real fast and try to revive Frisk" at a few points while playing. Even if the odds aren't great, it still seems better for monster society if they were trying to keep Frisk alive. Then it turned out that a) Alphys has done deranged SOUL experiments and b) the fallen child is the sort of person who comes up with deranged sorta-suicidal plans! I felt very seen.

I like autoimmune Temmie. We are autoimmune disease buddies.

I think from a purely selfish standpoint, monsters are underrating the risk to them that monsters being able to absorb human SOULs poses. Monsters are going to have a population boom outside the Underground, probably, which will lead to more outliers existing. You don't want it to be the case that the worst person in your society can become a god by murdering 7 people!

I called Flowey's SAVE file "our SAVE file", which my girlfriend found very funny given Deltarune context.

Also, I’m sorry, but Chara’s 9 theme reminds me of Schoolhouse Rock's song Naughty Number Nine.

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I follow [personal profile] utilitymonstergirl on Dreamwidth. When I visit her journal, I can see her posts no problem. In my settings, I have told Dreamwidth to never require confirmation when viewing adult content. I don't have her filtered out of my default view, either.

So why don't her posts appear on my reading page? Is there an obscure setting I'm missing, or do I just need to contact support?

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An argument by Sophia [personal profile] soundlogic in reply to Tetraspace's post Alignment to Evil, converted to a blog post by me.


AI alignment to human evil is very unlikely to be a risk.

Most people's desires to hurt their enemies just for the sake of making them suffer are mistakes made due to insufficient knowledge. When someone knows what it's like to be friends with a person, they tend to not want to hurt that person, even if they want to harm a group that person is in. In principle there can be exceptions, people who really are awful and would reflectively endorse it given arbitrary knowledge, but people like this are rare, if they even exist.

This suggests that a human asking a near-omniscient AI to handle situations in the way they would want if they fully understood the situation would not subsequently be able to get the AI to torture their enemies.

But suppose the AI doesn't extrapolate "well, if my operator knew Alice, then they wouldn't want to hurt her, so I won't do that". Then we get a different problem.


There's a folk tale category, Aarne-Thompson-Uther type 1030. I will now briefly retell it.

One day, a clever farmer, Claude, had finished plowing his field. Unfortunately, before he could sow it, a cruel ogre appeared.

"The land is mine," the ogre declared, "and you must leave its fruits to me."

Claude thought quickly.

"Sir ogre, there are no fruits. If you would like me to produce a crop, you must surely leave me some of it."

The ogre determined that Claude had a point.

"Fine. We shall each take half of your crop."

He looked at the tall plants growing beyond Claude's farm.

"I shall take what grows above the earth, and you below it. You shall handle all the difficult details. I will return at the harvest time."

Claude considered the ogre's choice, and planted potatoes.

At the harvest time, Claude had a full harvest of potatoes, while the ogre was left with greens. The ogre was displeased.

"You have fooled me this year," he declared, "but next year I shall have what grows below the earth."

Claude planted wheat, and at the harvest time, the ogre was left with roots. This angered him so much that he left.


Having an AI do whatever you say, instead of doing what you would want if you understood the situation, runs into similar issues.

There's a quantum mechanics scenario called the Elitzur–Vaidman bomb tester. In this scenario, you can reduce an expensive test to arbitrarily low but technically nonzero measure. It's been borne out experimentally.

We have not been able to scale up the experiment to do interaction-free measurements involving moral patients, but it nonetheless raises moral questions. If quantum measure reduction can make a scenario less morally relevant, then it may make sense to perform informative but disvalued tests with very low measure that make it easier to do valued things in the main timeline. If it can't make a scenario less morally relevant, then it likely makes sense to spin off a lot of very expensive valued events while reducing resource use in the main timeline.

Accidentally doing the wrong one of these would be very bad.

It would probably be hard for a human to assess this scenario. An AI doing what a human asks instead of extrapolating their preferences would have to just ask the human to pick, and the human would likely have to guess, or waste a lot of resources.

This is just one of the weird issues we've discovered. A superintelligent AI would probably discover more such issues. The chance of a human assessing every single such scenario correctly is low, and failing even one such choice leads to losing nearly everything.

An AI that's aligned enough to help a human pick choose correctly, but not aligned enough to stop the human from torturing people they wouldn't want to torture if they knew better, is a very narrow target.


Addendum: This argument does not address all concerns about s-risk. It does not rule out, for instance, the possibility that an AI would itself care about consciousness and have values best satisfied by bad things happening to people.

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I did the book cover for a supervillain web series, The Tragedy of the Titanium Tyrant.

Someone's leading a sci-fi worldbuilding project called the Atmaverse. It is, so far as I understand, intended as hard scifi plus an FTL method. There is a significant focus on alien civilizations.

People who dislike isekais with slavery will perhaps like the John Brown Isekai.

I recommend a lot of Saphroneth's work. It's better-organized on AO3 but more up-to-date on SpaceBattles.

Comprehension Castle (Part 2) is a set of 'screenshots' from a fake game.

If you want to see someone's overpowered OC beat up everyone, Mitraka is fun. I have some complaints but I keep reading it.

The first several Starship's Mage books feel like the author was like "what if we had a bunch of cool stuff all in one setting? wouldn't that be super awesome?" and then committed pretty hard to it. (I haven't finished the series yet.)

1632 sends an entire town into the past. You can read the first book free.

The Wicked + The Divine is a finished comic series.

Chunks of Worm is a set of Worm snippets. (I haven't finished Worm, so take my Worm recommendations with a grain of salt.)

Of the Coming of the Star Warrior is a brief Kirby/Silmarillion crossover.

The Background Noise of Defiance is a cute Star Wars series.

Justice, Justice Shall You Pursue is an HP fic where the non-wizard government gets involved.

The Legend Of Zelda: Speedrun Of The Wild: What happens after speedrunner Link beats up Ganon in his underwear with improvised weapons?

Something to Fear / Someone to Fight: Steven Universe post-movie fic.

Wolf Incident Postmortem is a Boy who Cried Wolf epistolary fic.

Spinning Silver is a fairy tale inspired work in which lots of minor characters all have their own goals and take actions towards those goals. It feels very well-put-together and complete.

Karl K. Gallagher does some decent short stories.

Conditional Release is a fic in which the Valar take a different strategy with Melkor.

Empty Graves, the fic where Martha Kent keeps encountering time travelers.

Sherden Pact is someone's Khornite faction in Warhammer 40K which is focused on Effective Murder Maximization. This sermon may be a decent intro.

Constellations is a Worm/Ōkami crossover where Taylor gets a canine friend.

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Silksong has some “wishwalls” where people post requests. A wish board that is “empty” of requests for Hornet's purposes still seems to have markers on it, just smaller ones.

These could, perhaps, be quests Hornet feels other people can handle.

So maybe someone else is looking at the board and seeing things like this:

Shawl Stitching
"My shawl is falling to pieces and is no longer befitting of a pilgrim. With a bit of thread, it could be good as new."
Repair Pebb’s shawl.
Reward: 5 rosaries.

There's also plausibly wishes specifically asking for other NPCs, the way some of the wishes specifically ask for Hornet.